Seriously people think about it.... That is my issue of the day... well when i think of it, it seems to be more like the issue of the year!
Yes and for those of you who are sitting there reading this and claming... "Well what the fuck is this notion of "it" that i am ment to be thinking of".... Well i have two simple things to say to you
1) First your not thinking hard enough, nor actually opening your eyes because it is more than obvious when you start trying
2) And Second... "It" is everything you think of, Why not try to doubt the fact you are doubting about the perspective of the IT. (atleast it will make you think harder solving your #1 problem)
To be honest i am tired of society, when i sit down and think to myself about the perspective of the human individual I envisioned him or her to be an ill-Mannered and psychologically unstable individual. With an extremely uneducated and barbaric frame of mind, whose vocab display's nothing but ridiculous jaargon, shocking sexual audacity and repulsive images of the capitalism. However, after further analysis of society I can deduce that when i think of the human individual he or she is the epitome of antidisestblishmentarianism (Yes i love that word... and No i cant spell it without looking it up a few times)
Seriously people think about IT! The world needs to be Anti-fucked, litterly sideways because how i view things at the moment is, to be blunt, bleek
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But are we individual in the first place? ;)
And I'm a horrible computer nerd, I read your capitalised 'IT' as 'I.T'.
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I am seriously thinking we are not individuals anymore... to an extent. We as society give up certain rights so we can gain security... i think the way we are going we are going to give up our individualism (im sure i just made that word up then) eventually at the rate we are going....
Very Focault of you :)
Now I have to express my love for that dead, gay bald philosopher right here in this post! Lovelovelove!
Okay, back to topic...
To give up individuality is to assume it existed in the first place.
And assuming it does, I don't entirely understand how 'we' are giving it up at the rate we are going. What rate? How come I don't see it?
Unless you are referring to those sheep that regurgitate whatever they learn and agreed with and then turning into their own opinion when it isn't...
I don't know if I would consider that as moving away from individuality - they're just sheep to me...
Baaah!
Well many cant see it, because it is a process so extreamly slow. It is manly happening in politics, new laws to "protect" society... an example are the terrorist laws... xenaphobia has never been so high. But what is the "other" and why are we so afriad of it... We are trying to make the "other" more like "us"
That is how i view we in turn are killing individuality
I think you ignored the constant push and encouragement for multiculturalism and not everyone in Australia is afraid of the 'other'. Some Australians might even consider themselves as part of the 'other' (following your terrorism example here).
And those xenophobic views are generally from cranky, old Australians that 'Today Tonight' and 'A Current Affair' love to interview.
If you ask someone outside of that category, say a middle-aged school teacher, you would get a different view.
And we're also under a Prime Minister that speaks Mandarin, so hopefully there will be government changes and possibly abolishing the terrorism laws. :)
I am kind of getting what you're saying, though I think you need a better example.
Hahah you have provided me with the example that i was looking for... Muti-culturalism
With muti-culture, how society works, it works with tollerence. That the original founders of the country have power and therefore tollerate the others.
Think about it, Look at the people in power, White Anglo Australians, tollerating the rest. This shows power, emphasising difference and the want to be part of the "in group and not the out group" to reference interpersonal psychology.
Think of the notion of why they came to Australia.. not because they could, but because they wanted to be an Australian... this notion of citerzen, will it one day turn out the world will speak nothing but english and we will think of ourselves not as parts of nations or parts of states... even now the technical word is called "nation-state" but will we view our selves as a Person from Earth, from terra... ?? where does Culture fit into all of this
A nation state works on the basis of three key things
Common Language
Common Govern
Common Religion (or state religion)
The world is slowly turning into this:
Common language (English French Manderin)
Common Govern: (United Nation)
Common Religion (The belief in Science, or Humanity)
...................................
Bloody hell you two are philosophic, but reading your comments i do believe, there is a notion of IT usually bearing down on individualism, however i don't think it is fair to try and argue that individualism does not exist or has ever done.
Dean you mentioned politics and how society's are bound by the webs of there political systems deeming what is acceptable in the name of protectionism. If we view this, then cant we see nations as a whole in a demographic sense and individuals in a mental sense. Politics does determine the guidelines for humanity in a modern day context and even looking into the past the laws that surrounded us (i.e. of nature, survival of the fittest) have shaped the patterns in which we have lived.
If we do give up rights at the expense of individualism, isn't that our own prerogative?
This ability to act on our internal limits to determine what we need and want as an individual, are characteristics of personal choice. This mental capability to conform, demand and control our own personal environment can be deemed as strict individualism. I know this is almost limiting our individual state to the chemicals in our brain but nevertheless if that is the very least, then that is still a point for the continuance of individuality.
Moving onto comments of Multi culturalism, i do agree with what your saying. I think the policy as viewing Australia as a whole falls short due to the dominance of Anglo- Saxons, the restrictions in place for those who want to become citizens (my family have just gained it after 5 yrs, investing alot of money in the government, sitting many medical tests, cultural tests you name it!). However there is no denying the foundations of our Nation and if you do contrast the policy to its pre-federation counterpart.. the ideology of White Australia, then the cultural policy has dramatically changed.
Lol I shall stop ranting now. Good to be stimulated occasionally. Hope your okay with input, I'm presuming so after seeing Deans bulletin on Myspace. thought i would lend support and contribute!
You are more then welcome to join in on Our rant :) that is why i posted the message on myspace :)
Anyway, yes i do agree with you on the notion of protectionism, And i do agree with your ideology of how one can view nations as demographs and individuals as a mental status. But i also am stating the changes in society. I am Claiming that capitalism thrives on individualism, but slowly the notion of "them and us" (in and out groups) through myotic leadership is emphasizing xenaphobia, the fear of other.
We dont want to be this notion of other, so we conform. It is through this conforming that we in turn sacrifice our individualist characteristics.
On that note i also agree with you jade about "if we do give up rights at the expense of individualism, isn't that our own prerogative"
Then is society making us conform, and us agreeing with conforming, making us an individual, for we decide to conform.... or is it making us less of an individual because we follow the constraits of society
I am really disliking Circular Reasoning....
YOUR rant, not 'ours'.
Your rant is turning into high school emo angst. Okay, I lie, to me it IS high school emo angst.
The whole conform vs. individual is lacking originality. I can get the same ideas from a 15 year old. Emos protest about it every day!
At least be like Focault and take a unique approach with the whole power is fluid and a tool, etc. <3
And I know you're very capable of doing that. :P
Also, what's wrong with unity/conformity? Didn't you say Karl Marx was one of your favourite philosophers?
Rather using multiculturalism - which I think it's getting off-topic and completely ignoring the words 'multi' and 'cultural' - have a study of globalisation.
It's leaning closer to what you want to discuss.
Check out Francis Fukuyama to start...I can't remember the rest of the theorists. :(
i think australians need to realise that their 'multicultural' society is one where there is no precedent to set signposts to...
as such, every step of the way is new and unchartered and as such is open to convuluted opinions left, right and centre...
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